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I have a 6x15 2017 for sale in Ontario Canada. Everything works has all the options plus a high end WD hitch.

Where are you located? I will be putting a 6x15 off road model up for sale in Ontario Canada very soon.

Pretty sure you can't upgrade to off road afterwards without some major surgery, but i think there might be a thread on how someone did it on the other aluminum camper forum. Haven't compared side by side so can only judge by my off road model. There's an extra rail of aluminum the same thickness as the frame rail that I don't think the regular model has. It doesn't go the whole length, just long enough to go between the axles and frame. The 15" rims alone were worth it in my opinion. I've only used it a little on some rough roads so far and like it plus it goes over multiple train tracks like nothing. Thought the extra few inches might be noticeable in a higher center of gravity way but nothing. Also sure that the extra height translates into a higher hitch, which the weight distributing part would on mine would be pretty low without it.

I can't comment on longevity having only towed it about 750km with less than 50 (25 miles or so) of that being gravel and think you have to be careful of your definition of 'off road' here because the My opinion is go for it, I think it's more likely you'll regret not getting it than you'd regret getting it. The extra cost hurts now, the regret will last as long as ownership.

But you know what? There's a bush road near where I go that these crazy Quebecers bring in enough trailers to set up an off grid town every summer. Its a fun road on the quad but I'd think twice about taking the Safari on it now. A pretty busted up logging road that hasn't been maintained  since the 60-70's and these guys safely pull in 30'ers that don't look half as solid as a Quicksilver.

The dealer that I bought at installed a power awning on the back of another customers larger Quicksilver that looked pretty good. I know there was no screening other than the one behind the ramp but it made their patio set up look really professional.

Thank you very much Marsh Hawk. I have a happy update, finally (FINALLY!!) hooked up the 6x15 Quicksilver today for a test run. (Long story short, atv and utility trailer gone, van recovered. Oddly enough they dumped it then meth heads moved in and left me some camping gear, a folding chair and 2 meth pipes. Plus a plastic beaded necklace that I was afraid to touch. Ins paid about 3/4 of the damage). The meth heads were arrested in it and I kind of feel sorry for them really. Maybe this is their wake up call?

The Safari pulls it very well! We hooked it up as a regular hitch and the van dropped almost until the tires went into the wheel well. With the Blue Ox weight distributing hitch set up, it only sags an inch at most and best of all it's even to the front. Acceleration is lacking of course, but zero sway, and the Tekonsha brake controller is smooth as silk. Have to admit that I was worried that it was too much trailer for the van, even though everything added up to less than the 5000lb limit a little part of me was worried that the dealer had overplayed the Quicksilver's tow-ability to ensure a sale. I'm very impressed today. The steel 4x8 trailer would give more movement than the 6x15 did. Even though it was only about a 1 1/2- 2 hr test run, I was able to cover small town roads, secondary and multi lane highways and feel confident the road worthiness is 100%.

So next weekend the new '17 Grizzly will be ready for pick up and a marathon 150km+150km+460km run to pick up the trailer, back to the city to get the atv then up to the trailer park that Latoyha will call home between excursions.

Lot's of tie wraps or zip ties. Baling wire. A tarp for crawling under the vehicle on those soggy soft roads mentioned earlier.

Does anyone have a link to a site that has basic tow and gvwr ratings of trucks over a range of years and makes? I'm shopping for another TV and need to quickly look up info. It is getting tedious, seems each brand will lead you to someplace different that needs axle ratios, serial numbers and options. Since I'm going to be looking in the 'previously enjoyed' market i need a site that has basic ''09 ford f150 reg cab long box v-8 can tow between X lbs- Y lbs tongue weight Z lbs'. over a wide range of years and models.

It gets frustrating to see a candidate truck on kijiji then spend 5 minutes to look up that the old minivan could tow more. I don't trust asking a seller 'will it pull 5000+lbs and let me carry an atv without breathing heavy?'

On a side note, what the heck happened to pick ups? Seems like 80% are four doors with dinky little beds now, used to be the other way around. Hard to find a decent V-8, regular cab with an 8' box around here yet you can't throw a stick without hitting some V-6, 4 door, short box, family mover with 20" chromed wheels and a dance club sound system Maybe they put something in the milk nowadays, I dunno.

...and another thing.

One thing I've learned in this is I should have had an inventory of my camping gear (and all property really). I was just replying to a post here about a heater, when I realized the heater was in the van due to a cool night visit to a drive-in movie recently. All week it's been like this, trying to find pictures of that big tent so I can prove ownership without a receipt, looking for the spare glasses to remember they were on the dashboard, needing an umbrella for the bus(!) ride to work and oh yeah, it was in the...

If just once I had taken a few minutes to put it all together and simply take a video with a short commentary...

thanks guys..  i did pick up a budy heater and small ceramic heater at walmart..

Those Little Buddys are an awesome heater, I have one myself. Even use it to quickly take the edge off in my home sometimes. Just be prepared with lots of those 1lb propane bottles, it can get thirsty. You can use one of those adapter hoses for a portable bbq to hook it up to a refillable tank if you want longer run times. It gives off a little condensation in the combustion process too.

Thanks for the kind words. The response from the police was underwhelming to say the least. Unfortunately just due to space and parking availability keeping a vehicle in a driveway near me is impossible at the moment, but that will change i think this it for me here. This city has changed way too much for me, in too many ways not just crime. One thing for sure, gps trackers will be on everything after this. 2 of them on each, maybe 3!

Another thing is the dealership has been incredible, Destination RV in Waubashene ON. I would have been there this weekend getting the hitch upgraded and wiring done, and they said no worries take my time to replace the TV. I'm going to be storing it there for a while and they're not charging me for that until we get this sorted out and will transport it if i decide to put it in the campground before getting a TV. The insurance has been pretty good too, saved me some on the deductible and is working with me on the custom value of the trailer and camping gear. Oh, did i mention that most of my savings recently went to buying a new camper? In a few months the utility trailer was probably going to be sold and the quad left at a secure campground. A (new?) pick up was in the plan for next year, so the timing of this is unreal. Nothing is going to deviate me from my plan though, some have suggested selling the new camper to fund new vehicles but no freakin' way!

As for the .45, this is Canada. This is an 'unrelated' post so I'll go on a unrelated rant here. The police here are pretty good at catching the violent stuff but respecting protecting your property sucks. It's been a week AND NOT ONE CALL BACK NOTHING. Was basically told to stop calling them. It's not new, many years ago I was charged with assault for taking a bat off a stranger who attacked me in front of my home. Summarily convicted, stay out of trouble for a year and no record, but there's still a record of the charge. Yeah, i thumped him in the process, but it was his bat. I'd move south in a minute, to a place that allows a person to protect their family and property. I shoot and could (somewhat) easily have a long gun here, but you can't even properly protect your gun (which is never for protection itself) if you can believe it. I know guys that reload their own shells because if you buy ammo at the local Canuckian Tire the part time kid behind the counter writes your name and address in a book with what you bought and now there's a shopping list laying around for a criminal to steal whatever he wants. Look up Red River Valley to see how the RCMP searched for and seized guns under the guise of looking for flood survivors under beds of homes that were ordered evacuated.

I've been on a few tours through the north east and really liked New Hampshire, was there for Laconia. Maybe we could work out some sort of swap. Justin Beiber is pretty annoying, you could send him back. Suck at singing but i'm an ok cable splicer. Even get my maple syrup mail order if you don't have any. My grandfather lived in Texas before returning to fight ww2, that's gotta count for something.

Woke up early yesterday, was going out to look at a seasonal park to put the trailer in. It's all pretty exciting, a new trailer (6x15TH) that i was going to use for travelling, and I came across a park that is right in the area where I go 'free' camping. Granted it's pretty far away, but I go there anyways and it would cost over 2 grand to store it in the big city where the park would be about 1,800 annually. So it's like a storage spot where I can sleep and have a campfire. Plus it's minutes to the area where I camp. Did I mention it's literally across the hwy from my favorite atv trails? Anyways, back to yesterday morning...

Got the thermos of coffee? Check. Smokes? Check. Oh yeah, bring the water jugs because I'm going to pass by the spring. GPS? Check. Ok, where's the van? The atv? And the trailer it was on? Gone. It took a few seconds to realize they were really gone. They left the bike and the kayak. And the wheel chocks...

The police weren't much help. A traffic cop not assigned to the case came by because he's on the search for some bike thieves, but they're taking sport bikes and mine is a plain jane KLR enduro, so yeah... too ugly to steal. He's just there because I reported the garage has cameras, but no, you can't see the video until monday because that guy is off for the weekend. The insurance people were ok, but again, no info until monday. Just enough time for me to assess the situation. What's the blue book on an '05 GMC safari? No, doesn't matter that it was in awesome shape with low mileage it's still an '05. Oh, that low? Well, the trailer WAS custom built... that has to count for something. Don't forget, you paid 3x as much as a box-store 4x8, you had to have a custom hot dip galvanized trailer that would last forever. What, 2 years ago? Yeah, sure they're gonna give top dollar for that. The quad? Again, almost brand new but it was a 'last year' model with a great out-the-door price and if I want the same basic make and model it's going to be 2-3 grand more than what the 'old' one was. I can't even remember what tools are now gone, just the simple things like straps, the wrench set, the tents and tarps... oh, I just remembered those stupid mosquito nets with the magnets for the early summer drive-ins that I forget where I got. At least I don't have to do the household insurance claim right away, they gave me a few days to get my head around what was taken.

So I guess that's just life in the big city. The report # was close to a million, so that means there's been well over 900,000 calls to report crimes in Toronto in '17, at least it wasn't 911 that needed to be called. And I didn't have to press 1 for an emergency claim when I called the insurance, the call was made in my living room, not at an accident scene. I feel bad about the theft, then I feel bad about feeling bad when there's so much shit going on in the world when all someone did was take some of my stuff. But it was MY stuff. And the SOB's could have at least left the f$%@ing paddle for the kayak.

Thanks for the reply. No, there's no fears over parts, everything is always available... I saw the majority of the last run, mine was the first/last order at that dealer. Quite the sight to see a half dozen of them in a row, probably the only time I'll ever see that again. I knew I was buying a discontinued model but after a lot of research I decided on the 6x15 because of its 'just big enough and not one inch extra' size and frankly decided not to buy a toyhauler when I found out there wasn't a new 6x15 anywhere in North America. There's only a few TH's in that weight class and only LL had a decent model with dealer support in Canada. They had a new '16 7x20 on the lot for not much more than the 6x15 but I wanted small so after bugging the dealer enough, I was pretty happy when the last run was decided because I was ready to keep on tenting with the 4x8 utility trailer for the atv rather than buy a nice looking plywood box on wheels.

Every fall I go to this off grid free camping area with tons of trails and 100's of sq km of beautiful lakes, there's a lot of nice rigs but only the smaller ones get to the good sites. Over the years you get to know some faces and rigs and get to see how people expand their set ups. It's going to be nice to show up to the back site with this, I was hoping for a good campfire story about how rare it is in actual numbers, so when I say 'it's one of only blah-blah-blah '18s made' that it's less bs than my usual campfire stories. I'm still going to say it was my bugging the dealer that got a final last issue special edition made so that might be too much bs without some numbers to confuse 'em into believing me.

I get the economics of killing the 6x15, it probably needed its own production line being narrower. My search started with a budget of CAD10,000 looking at a small KZ. After enough research it ended up at a point where I could have bought two generic plywood TH's and a good used atv, people think I'm nuts spending more on a tiny trailer than on a park model with a slide out. So yeah, it's in a costly niche market for sure but other than a few custom builders there's nothing close. The other VRV has no dealer support here and trying to talk to custom builders was like pulling teeth. You wouldn't believe the attitudes I dealt with, which amazed me. Leave a message that basically says you're willing to drop a ton of cash, you'd expect a reply. Some RV dealers here in Ontario too, could learn a lot from the car sales industry but now I'm really going on a tangent.

Hi, my new 6x15 toy hauler was delivered! Just a few more things to complete the package. I'm planning a weekend at a camp near the dealer after a day dry run to ensure everything tows well. I figure a first run empty to ensure all hook ups and brakes work, then one with the atv to work out loading. The dealer has cheap storage, and since they're 1.5hr away it'll be good for the first year to sort out any issues under warranty. The first weekend camp will just be figuring out how everything works. Probably have lots of questions as I go along, this looks like a good site for answers.

My new 6x15 was just delivered and am looking forward to using it. Saw the replacement 7x18 online and hope it still gives the drop in weight from the 7x20 that the smaller trailer offered. My question is how many 6x15s were made in the last run, and how many were shipped to Canada? Every dealer I located last year had none and I was told that LL decided to axe it. The dealer that got back to me said a last small run would be made to clear parts inventory and they bought 6 or 7. I'm curious how rare it is as a last model, not for value but for a good campfire story.